With great power comes great responsibility... To move to OS 3.0 or not?

[PyjamaSam]

With the release of OS 3.0 there will be some new features we can use (of most interest is the Push Notifications for skill completion).

But this also brings up a delema.

OS 3.0 is a $10 upgrade charge for iPod Touch users.  By upgrading Capsuleer to use the new features in OS 3.0 we would require to have upgraded their device to that version of the OS.  Phone users are covered cause that upgrade is free, but the touch users would have to pay.

There isn't a way to deploy multiple versions of Capsuleer that require multiple versions of the OS (well without making an app called Capsuleer - OS 2.2.1 and Capsuleer - OS 3.0, but that just lends its self to confusion).

I am looking for input from the community here.  Are people with iPod touches planning on upgrading?  Is this a moot point?  Should I not worry about this?  Are crispy fries really crispier then normal fries cooked longer?

I don't want to exclude any part of the community from using Capsuleer.  By upgrading to use OS 3.0 features I am attaching a $10 price tag to Capsuleer for iPod touch users.

Weight in.  Cast your vote.  Let me know your views.  It will all help me make the decision.

Thanks.
chris.

[rocwieler]

I, of course, vote for the move to the latest technology. Keeps us with the current standard, and on the cutting edge.

And yes, crispy fries FTW, though I prefer sweet potato curly fries.

[Michael Phoenix]

I would have to vote yes, though I am an iPhone user, so obviously this would not have the financial implications...

Though I would remind iTouch users that at least they don't have a $150 per month phone bill!

[Ezren]

Hello,

this is the first time I post in this forum - to be exact I registered just to vote. But I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for bringing capsuleer to the iphone and the ipod touch. It made my first days in EVE so much easier and more interesting. Certainly I voted for using OS3.0 features! This update will boost my ipod touch significantly and I won't be missing it. 10 $ is a good deal for all the goodies it delivers.

Keep up the good work!

Greetings from Germany

Ezren

[redlist654]

I would definately pay for the upgrade and have voted yes.
 
Capsuleer is a brilliant app now and if the upgrade makes it even better then it would be welcomed even at a small cost.
Can you add the wallet though please!!??   

[Phouka]

Sam:

Are you saying it's not possible programmatically for Capsuleer to take advantage of 3.0 capabilities if that's the installed OS, and to not take advantage of those capabilities (but otherwise continue to work) if the user is using <3.0?

-Pooks

[PyjamaSam]

Sam:

Are you saying it's not possible programmatically for Capsuleer to take advantage of 3.0 capabilities if that's the installed OS, and to not take advantage of those capabilities (but otherwise continue to work) if the user is using <3.0?

-Pooks

Correct.  I have to build Capsuleer against the OS 3.0 libraries to make use of any of the features.  This will remove its ability to run on a 2.2.1 device.

Though as it stands now Capsuleer is compiled against OS 2.2.1 libraries and it can run on OS 2.2.1 and OS 3.0.

Compiled against 2.2.1 -> Runs on 2.2.1 and 3.0 (and can't use Push)
Compiled against 3.0 - > Runs on 3.0 (and can use Push)

Its one or the other.

Basically if I link against libraries LESS then the OS version it will run but I can't use all the snazzy new features.

Also for you folks responding if you could state what kind of device you have (or devices) that would give me some good data as well.

chris.

[Phouka]

Correct.  I have to build Capsuleer against the OS 3.0 libraries to make use of any of the features.  This will remove its ability to run on a 2.2.1 device.

Ah, ok. I wasn't sure what the development/publishing environment was like on the phone. That's straightforward enough.

I'm first-gen iphone (unlocked, jailbroken, and I understand you can't consider that); my opinion is that if the only 3.0 feature you'd really use is push notification to warn people of skill training then it's probably not worth alienating < 3.0 itouch users. (How would that look, btw? Would you push out a badge number indicating the number of skills in the queue? The number of hours until the queue is empty? Days? Something obvious that I'm missing?)

I'd certainly love the feature myself, though. :-)

Does Apple supply developers with general userbase information? Like: Will they give you numbers down the road so that you know roughly how many people pay to move to 3.0, so you can gauge what percentage of users you might be leaving behind?

[boffles]

Ok I am the only one at the moment that has voted no, but there is a reason. I love this app and will be using no matter what. I don't like to have to pay for and upgrade unless I really have to, especial for just one feature. So far have not heard of any features that will be useful for itouch.

[Jediborg]

I voted yes......

Because after v3 comes 3.1 and so forth.....

So eventually everyone will have to upgrade their firmware anyway....

And I would pay any price to keep using Capsuleer weather it be for the iphone or itouch.

Keep up the good work guys.

[RennGent]

iPhone (1st gen) user here (but you knew that).

I say we should keep with the times and go with full 3.0 integration. As time goes on more and more apps will be 3.0 only and I believe it would be beneficial for iPod Touch users to upgrade regardless of what Capsuleer does. It also helps to keep Capsuleer ahead of any competition by staying up to date and making full use of the device.

Also many people on these forums have said time and time again they are willing to pay cold hard cash for Capsuleer (which can't be done). Requiring a handful of folks to pay for something that will benefit them both with Capsuleer and a host of other apps doesn't seem like it would bother many folks at all (based on forum feedback outside of this thread).

[goroth]

Ok I am the only one at the moment that has voted no, but there is a reason. I love this app and will be using no matter what. I don't like to have to pay for and upgrade unless I really have to, especial for just one feature. So far have not heard of any features that will be useful for itouch.

I'm a 1st Gen Touch user and a "Yes" voter. I will be updating to OS 3, not just so I can have Push in Capsuleer (although that will be great!!), but to take advantage of all the other new features and apps that will use the new capabilities. $10 is a tiny fee for copy/paste, etc.

There is some really great stuff in OS 3 and hopefully  Capsuleer over time will be able to utilize more of those great features.

[Arktour]

Let's keep up with technology. Touch users aren't just paying for Capsuleer (although I would pay a few dollars) they're paying for a whole host of upgrades. (I use an iPhone.)

Here's an idea though:
Many apps have two versions: one which is free and one that costs money but has greater functionality. How about making the current version (2.2.1) free and charge for the new one (3.0). That way users can keep using the app the way it is, but others can guarantee that they'll always have the latest features.

If you make the free one with all the features it has now and simply grey out the 3.X features, users could decide for themselves what they would like to do.

Personally, I think Capsuleer is such a great program that I'd have no problem paying a few dollars for it. I think it's perfectly fine for you to make some real money from this program.

(Of course you'll need to clear this with CCP because of copyright issues. But I imagine even some of them use Capsuleer. It's at least worth a try, what are they gonna say, no? You'll still be making nothing from it.)

[Jediborg]

Let's keep up with technology. Touch users aren't just paying for Capsuleer (although I would pay a few dollars) they're paying for a whole host of upgrades. (I use an iPhone.)

Here's an idea though:
Many apps have two versions: one which is free and one that costs money but has greater functionality. How about making the current version (2.2.1) free and charge for the new one (3.0). That way users can keep using the app the way it is, but others can guarantee that they'll always have the latest features.

If you make the free one with all the features it has now and simply grey out the 3.X features, users could decide for themselves what they would like to do.

Personally, I think Capsuleer is such a great program that I'd have no problem paying a few dollars for it. I think it's perfectly fine for you to make some real money from this program.

(Of course you'll need to clear this with CCP because of copyright issues. But I imagine even some of them use Capsuleer. It's at least worth a try, what are they gonna say, no? You'll still be making nothing from it.)

Two versions sounds good......the current version is great as it stands......leave this one for people who don't want to upgrade to ver 3.

[Lukiahas]

I am a 2nd gen iPod touch user.

I haven't heard much on what the 3.0 upgrade will provide to us iPod users and I must admit I haven't looked into it, but from what I hear, it isn't much. Most of it's features are directed to the iPhone users.

So based on that and if pushing is the only feature you'll gain, I'd adimently say no. I love eve, I love your program, but in this day money is short for a lot of people,me included. I will not be upgrading as long as there is a 10$ fee.